Election

hepcat
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Re: Election

Postby hepcat » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:28 pm

Dr Jim Royle wrote:I've tried my utmost to keep out of the political arena of late having successfully predicted Brexit then Donald Trump ......... certain activists in the Ratings Mafia poo poo'd my thoughts.

And I successfully announced to those that chose to listen that the Tories would end up with egg on their faces and Labour would do well.

Of course folk will say they voted for policies, but in truth most folk just vote opposite to mainstream because they have had enough. Basically MP's are all talk and no action doesn't matter what party they are said to follow.

And now we join the USA in back bitching fighting and name calling instead of realising folk would appreciate it more if ALL got around a table, talked like adults and uniformly agreed a decent Brexit package followed by a realistic way of sorting out NHS, Elderly Care, Pensions, Benefit payments and rights and finally Woekings Take Over.

Allow The Right Honourable Dr Jim Royle to give that mob a clue ........... You MUST carry and Identification Card at all times which as a UK citizen will tell folk what you are entitled to on a points system (Been a UK resident for 50 years say, full points allowing total free NHS Care and Housing Benefits or if just entered country legally zero points until you've built up enough in years, wanna come live here then come prepared.) Those caught fiddling the dole say lose points. Simple enough Shirley?

:D

It's them gang socks ! Have you thought of hiring them out to punters at Corals or Hills ? :D
Trouts
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Re: Election

Postby Trouts » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:54 pm

Richard Petty wrote:The other reason may be due to over the years higher education becoming more accessible to lower middle class and working class than it was in the past


crikey, first the 'kids' voting and now this, don't tell that Lazio chap, that'll really upset him...
Richard Petty
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Re: Election

Postby Richard Petty » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:06 pm

Trouts wrote:
Richard Petty wrote:The other reason may be due to over the years higher education becoming more accessible to lower middle class and working class than it was in the past


crikey, first the 'kids' voting and now this, don't tell that Lazio chap, that'll really upset him...


Just in case anyone takes that out of context I do say it as a good thing not a bad thing :)
richnjulie
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Re: Election

Postby richnjulie » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:11 pm

Pip@B wrote:
richnjulie wrote:
Pip@B wrote:Social justice that involved murdering the sick and weak and many others.


No you are confusing socialist with fascist, anyone can be a fascist

no, his social justice just involved being a murderer. Fascism seeks to solve social problems promoting purity-in his version by murdering the 'unpure' be it through their mental or physical health, sexuality or religion.


Ah nail head hit you got it "His social justice" very different to his socialism.
Lazio
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Re: Election

Postby Lazio » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:48 pm

Trouts wrote:
Richard Petty wrote:The other reason may be due to over the years higher education becoming more accessible to lower middle class and working class than it was in the past


crikey, first the 'kids' voting and now this, don't tell that Lazio chap, that'll really upset him...


Yes that's the socialists way send them all off to get a degree in David Beckham studies or psychology.
Shotto
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Re: Election

Postby Shotto » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:42 pm

Lazio wrote:Yes that's the socialists way send them all off to get a degree in David Beckham studies or psychology.


Or nursing, or social work or law or medicine.......

If you choose to see the worst, that's all you'll ever see.

Do you read the Daily Mail?
ShotOnTarget
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Re: Election

Postby ShotOnTarget » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:11 pm

Shotto wrote:Or nursing, or social work or law or medicine.......


Spot the odd one out. The clue is in earlier posts.
Shotto
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Re: Election

Postby Shotto » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:26 pm

ShotOnTarget wrote:Spot the odd one out. The clue is in earlier posts.


Nope, can't see an odd one in that lot! All challenging degrees that lead to a worthy career.
Lazio
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Re: Election

Postby Lazio » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:54 pm

Shotto wrote:
Lazio wrote:Yes that's the socialists way send them all off to get a degree in David Beckham studies or psychology.


Or nursing, or social work or law or medicine.......

If you choose to see the worst, that's all you'll ever see.

Do you read the Daily Mail?

Nurses should be trained in hospitals, not to push pens in Mickey Mouse universities, I should know as I am a qualified nurse and training assessor. We wouldn't need so many social workers if people took responsibility for their own lives, law is a career choice. Doctors could be trained and get a decent grant if we weren't wasting so much money on nonsense degrees.
I do read the Mail and a lot else as well.
shotshammo
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Re: Election

Postby shotshammo » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:05 pm

I was told a fact today, less than 600 strategic votes was the difference between the Tories have a majority and being ten seats short.
Richard Petty
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Re: Election

Postby Richard Petty » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:06 pm

Shotto wrote:
ShotOnTarget wrote:Spot the odd one out. The clue is in earlier posts.


Nope, can't see an odd one in that lot! All challenging degrees that lead to a worthy career.


No, odd one out has defeated me too ?????

I thought that maybe one of them didn't offer a degree but just googled and they all do

Unless SOT you are suggesting Law is the on one out because its not a identified as a public service like nursing, medicine and social work but if that is your suggestion what about crown prosecutors and duty solicitors, aren't they offering a public service.
Richard Petty
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Re: Election

Postby Richard Petty » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:16 pm

shotshammo wrote:I was told a fact today, less than 600 strategic votes was the difference between the Tories have a majority and being ten seats short.


Very true and if the boundary changes that were due to be approved in September and in place by the next scheduled election had been brought forward that would also have delivered a majority. It couldn't really be done though because both sides of the house have now pretty much reached a consensus that reducing the number of MP's to 600 from 650 is now not such a good idea. Boundary changes will still take place but now instead of reducing the number of constituencies they will just be re shaped to try and create a balanced number of constituents in each area.
tonygodfrey
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Re: Election

Postby tonygodfrey » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:41 pm

shotshammo wrote:I was told a fact today, less than 600 strategic votes was the difference between the Tories have a majority and being ten seats short.


It's one of the quaint absurdities of the first past the post system and can easily work both ways (a few more votes for Labour in key constituencies would have allowed them to become the largest party.) Worth noting that the DUP polled a tiny percentage of votes, but because they are all concentrated in a small geographic area, now hold significant influence, something which those who were closely involved in the Northern Ireland peace process seem very nervous about.

Also worth noting that Clinton polled considerably more votes than Trump in the US but their rather old fashioned electoral college system, which favours the smaller inland states, resulted in a victory for the Donald.

The problem with all political systems is that those that benefit from them and gain power have very little motivation to update or modernise them.

It is pretty crazy that both here and in the US a tiny number of swing voters in a small proportion of electoral areas effectively hold the balance of power. As far as both democratic systems are concerned we are certainly not all equal.
ShotOnTarget
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Re: Election

Postby ShotOnTarget » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:01 pm

Shotto wrote:
ShotOnTarget wrote:Spot the odd one out. The clue is in earlier posts.


Nope, can't see an odd one in that lot! All challenging degrees that lead to a worthy career.


I was told by a contact well-versed in such matters "For facism to flourish, the following combination of factors must exist:

1. Low intelligence
2. Lack of transparency
3. Lack of accountability
4. Unfettered power."

He gave the example of the horrors uncovered at Abu Graib prison (where soldiers subjected inmates to abuse) and also asserted that 1 to 4 applied to Social Workers. Interestingly, a lot of undergrads consider degrees in Social Work to be the province of the also-rans. A 'pretend' degree for the thickos incapable of genuine academic achievement. That's debatable. One would have to read Social Sciences to make a valid comparison with ones own degree.

There is, however, growing disquiet as to how out of touch social workers have become to the extent that films such as Traffic 2 are now on release.

https://www.petemiddletonpictures.co.uk/traffic-2

Traffic 1 was successfully banned by the authorities on false assertion of copyright. In reality, the authorities didn't like some of the footage which was as shocking as it was factual. Representative of Social Workers? Again, debatable. Nevertheless, worrying.

The DVD is well worth a watch. That is for anyone who likes to be able to express an informed viewpoint and has the freedom of thought and level of intellect to base their opinions on a range of facts and viewpoints rather than preconcieved ideas and common assumptions.
Shotto
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Re: Election

Postby Shotto » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:09 pm

SoT, I think you're confusing things a tad. Social sciences are not social work, they are entirely different. A social work degree educates the holder in the legal minefield of our care system.

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