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Re: Not seen this Shots related clip before

Post by Fuggletim » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:36 pm

If there was any any good that came out of Hillsborough, it was the final abandonment of the ridiculous membership scheme. I seem to recall the relief in Colin Moynihan's voice and body language when he said that it would not go ahead after the tragedy.

It wasn't quite on the scale of the "Poll Tax" debacle, but it was another demonstration of how out of touch the Government of the day were with the people.

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Re: Not seen this Shots related clip before

Post by hepcat » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:56 pm

Fuggletim wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:36 pm
If there was any any good that came out of Hillsborough, it was the final abandonment of the ridiculous membership scheme. I seem to recall the relief in Colin Moynihan's voice and body language when he said that it would not go ahead after the tragedy.

It wasn't quite on the scale of the "Poll Tax" debacle, but it was another demonstration of how out of touch the Government of the day were with the people.
You say that, but the biggest irony is that today nearly all clubs (certainly all PL and Championship and much of L1 &L2) DO operate a membership and ID scheme( by any other name) and supporters have WILLINGLY bought into it. To get a ticket you need a membership card and a record is kept of every match attended with your name and address attached amongst other personal details-again, all willingly given by the punter (season tickets obviously ID'd) So for all the fuss and protest made in the late 80's it still happened , and any fan needing to be ID'd (for eg racist chanting or whatever) is very quickly named/arrested and banned-just what the ID scheme of the 80's intended. The other irony from the same decade is Thatcher's closing down the coal mines which ironically makes her a "Green Visionary" (only if you want to re write history that is) as coal is taboo as an energy source in todays world.

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Re: Not seen this Shots related clip before

Post by Fuggletim » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:05 pm

You have a point, but it isn’t compulsory to have an ID card to watch football as with the plan, it would have been.

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Re: Not seen this Shots related clip before

Post by Wanderer » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:50 pm

hepcat wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:56 pm
Fuggletim wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:36 pm
If there was any any good that came out of Hillsborough, it was the final abandonment of the ridiculous membership scheme. I seem to recall the relief in Colin Moynihan's voice and body language when he said that it would not go ahead after the tragedy.

It wasn't quite on the scale of the "Poll Tax" debacle, but it was another demonstration of how out of touch the Government of the day were with the people.
You say that, but the biggest irony is that today nearly all clubs (certainly all PL and Championship and much of L1 &L2) DO operate a membership and ID scheme( by any other name) and supporters have WILLINGLY bought into it. To get a ticket you need a membership card and a record is kept of every match attended with your name and address attached amongst other personal details-again, all willingly given by the punter (season tickets obviously ID'd) So for all the fuss and protest made in the late 80's it still happened , and any fan needing to be ID'd (for eg racist chanting or whatever) is very quickly named/arrested and banned-just what the ID scheme of the 80's intended. The other irony from the same decade is Thatcher's closing down the coal mines which ironically makes her a "Green Visionary" (only if you want to re write history that is) as coal is taboo as an energy source in todays world.
There are as far as I am aware there are only five teams where you need to be a member to obtain a match ticket in England, they are Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Crystal Palace and AFC Bournemouth. Many other clubs have ticket system where you are given a customer number, this is not a membership and you are not issued with any form of card.

There are many other clubs where if you do not become a member, the chances of you obtaining a ticket are virtually nil, an example of this would be Chelsea. The world has moved on since the 1980s, next year we will be in 2020 and in the 30 years there has been a complete change in technology, people don't pay by cash anymore but use cards, all grounds in the top two divisions are now all-seaters so require match tickets, grounds in the Premier League are full to 95%+ of capacity when in the 80s the figure was much lower. I don't believe supporters have WILLINGLY bought into it, they have had to if they want to see their club play, though some clubs have taken advantage of this with their membership fees and what it provides.

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Re: Not seen this Shots related clip before

Post by hepcat » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:35 pm

Clubs such as Reading and the like don't have a fee (such as PL clubs can get away with) but they do issue cards "For life" that you use to be able to get tickets. If you turn up on the day/new fan you'd be roped into the system in order to get your ticket and you are effectively ID'd , so beyond hairsplitting points, these are ID cards and operate more or less as the Thatcher ID cards would have (note how quickly fans are ID'd and banned these days) Compared to the uproar of the 80's, nobody has complained and willingly buy into this system (although they have little/no choice) I would say that is because there is no political attachment to them (as there was with Thatcher) so no antagonisms or axes to grind or other political party's using it for point scoring and stirring up opposition)


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